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                           FILE NO. 007

 C A V E R N S,   D U N G E O N S   A N D   L A B Y R I N T H S


     In this 'File' we will examine reports of ancient subterrain
excavations, the very reality of which presupposes the existence
of scientifically-advanced races which reigned perhaps thousands
of years ago, excavations that had apparently been constructed
before the deluge and, in some cases, following it.  The account
which we record below appeared in the Oct. 1947 issue of 'AMAZING
STORIES' science fiction/science fact magazine, pp. 171-172:

"Sirs:
     "Norman Finley, a neighbor of a good friend of mine, told me
about an experience he had which was rather unusual.  He and a
couple of other fellows were hunting down in the Big Bend
country.  I don't know whether you are familiar with the Big Bend
or not, but there is no more wild or desolate area in the
country.  Rugged, mountainous, cut by canyons, there are
innumerable parts of it which have never known the foot of man.
     "It was in one of the most desirable areas that Finley and
his companions found themselves.  They had driven about ninety
miles southwest of Marathon, Texas, a little town of about 700
people, at the foot of the Del Norte Mountains, 4000 feet high,
and had then gone on afoot.  The dirt road just petered out and
they couldn't get their car further.  They were hunting deer but
had no luck.  Just as they were about to call it a day, Finley
spotted a mountain lion.  He snapped a shot at it and knocked it
over.  But the lion just rolled over on his feet and started to
leave those parts.
     "Finley and the other fellows took after him, since it was
obvious that he was wounded and not making very good time.  They
managed to keep him in sight for about a mile and were sure they
had him when he ran into a box canyon.  The lion, however,
started up a faint trail up one side of the canyon to a small
cave they could see about a hundred feet from the floor of the
canyon.  They followed him up this trail, but when they got to
the cave--there was no lion!
     "The cave was one of those dished-out affairs that are so
common in the southwest.  Eroded out of the face of a cliff and
cup-shaped.  The only access to it was by that trail.  But this
cave was a bit queer.  It had a sand floor and was just about big
enough to park twenty cars in it.  On the cliff edge was a low
STONE WALL.  This in itself was not too unusual, because such
caves have sheltered Indians for thousands of years.
     "The thing that did make it unusual was that in the rear of
it was a perfectly round hole.  It was obvious that the lion had
ducked into this.
     "They approached it rather cautiously and tossed some stones
in it to see if they could stir him up.  But there was no
response.  They could hear the stones rolling and bouncing down
an incline and the sound just got fainter and fainter until it
died away altogether.
     "They then approached the hole and peered down into it.  It
was perfectly round--also it was about four or five feet in
diameter.  They couldn't see very far down it, but it appeared to
descend rather sharply and at a steady gradient.  The fellows
gathered some dry grass from the canyon floor and made some
torches.  The incline of the bore was too steep for them to climb
down so they tossed the torches down it.  They just slid down
further and further and disappeared into the gloom.  They never
did see or hear of the lion again.
     "At first they thought they had stumbled onto some old
Spanish mine workings.  But there was no sign anywhere of a dump
that always goes with a mine.  By all rights there should have
been some sign of the earth and rock that had come out of that
hole--but there wasn't.
     "When they inspected the hole itself more closely, they were
amazed at it's symmetry and at the consistency of the section of
the bore as far as they could see down it.  The fact that the
bore was perfectly round puzzled them, too.  If it was a mine
shaft, it most certainly wouldn't have been round, but instead
would have been flat on the bottom.  The fact that the shaft
extended straight and unwavering as a rigid pipe was cause for
further amazement.  Since the fellows had no rope with them,
which would have been needed to descend the shaft, as well as
lights, they scratched their heads awhile and then left.
     "Finley wanted to go back with equipment and see how far
down the shaft went and what was at the bottom of it.  But
ranchers are busy people and he never went back.  In the meantime
he got pretty well broken up when a horse threw him and he now
lives in Fort Worth while he has someone else to run the ranch.
We talked rather idly about having a look at his cave someday.
He says he knows exactly where it is and could find that box
canyon with his eyes shut.  So far we haven't done anything about
it.  But we may either this summer or next when we get time to go
down to Big Bend.
     "Finley told me this story about a year before even you
heard of Shaver so you can be sure he wasn't influenced by the
'Shaver Mystery.'  In fact, I don't believe he has ever heard of
the 'Shaver Mystery,' even to this day.
     "E. Stanton Brown.,  4931 Bryce Ave.,  Fort Worth 7, Texas."

     Another letter, dated Jan. 1948, appeared in 'AMAZING
STORIES' magazine also confirming that strange 'para-speleon'
phenomena exists in the western part of Texas.  However the
artifacts described in the following letter seem to involve areas
north of Big Bend, not far from the Guadellupe Mts. and the New
Mexico border.  Perhaps this account is a partial confirmation of
a subterranean connection between areas BELOW the Big Bend of
Texas and the Guadellupe range of southern New Mexico -
northwestern Texas.  Quoting from the letter:

"Sirs:
     "Since I have been an interested reader of AMAZING STORIES
since my high school days (1929) when A-S was a bigger magazine,
I feel like one of the family when I read the letters in the
discussion pages.  The temptation has arisen many times to write
a letter to you concerning some hotly discussed matter, but
something has always prevented me from getting at it.  However,
the October Issue pushed me too far, and here goes.
     "The mysterious cave Mr. E. Stanton Brown spoke of in his
letter is not exactly news to me.  In 1938 a party of six of my
friends and myself spent seven months in that area of Texas, and
upper Mexico.  We were testing an electronic instrument that we
had developed, and needed lots of space and some mineral deposits
for the various tests.  So, we got rather well acquainted with
the Big Bend country, and the Figure 2 Ranch north of there.  We
arrived there in January and camped IN THE SIERRA BLANCAS,
storing a lot of our equipment at the town of Van Horn.  By
march we had gotten deep into the rugged country and as I recall,
it was about the middle of March we stumbled onto this cave (or a
twin) that Mr. Brown speaks of in his letter.  Everyone was so
dumbfounded by it that we spent the better part of the rest of
the month in making a thorough investigation.  We penetrated the
shaft to a distance of 870 feet and at about 650 feet found some
very finely executed writing on the right wall at eye level, IN
WHAT RESEMBLES CUNEIFORM.  At 800 feet one of the party fell over
a cloth lying in the dust, and upon closer examination, it was
found to be part of a blue shirt, of fairly recent manufacture;
indicating that someone else had been this far in recent times.
This and an empty pint whisky bottle dated 1897 was all we
located to indicate recent occupation.  Of course in a country
where desperadoes such as Black Jack, Billy the Kid, etc., hid
out where they could and the more solitary the better, such a
find was not too surprising.
     "At about 780 feet the floor dips more sharply downward and
at near 900 feet progress is very hazardous due to moisture and
increased slant downward.  We carried rocks from the opening, and
rolled them from the point where we could no longer walk, but
they simply faded out with a rumble after a few seconds.  We
tried rolling flaming yucca stumps to see if, perhaps, we might
determine more about the bore further on, but this proved to be
futile, since the stumps burned poorly at best, probably due to
bad air.  It was very stuffy and hot after the first 300 feet
from the opening.  We held a powwow to try and figure out how we
could go further down, but the only thing would have been lots of
lariat ropes, or a long steel cable, and neither was available
nearer than some 50 miles.
     "If Mr. Finley had taken the time to go hunting up in the
Figure 2 Ranch territory he might have run across another, and to
me more interesting, cave than the Big Bend one.  About 62 miles
(north - Branton) from the town of Van Horn you go through the
salt-flat country, where the Salt Wars of the old west occurred.
Westward, some 8 or 9 miles from the road is the Apache Canyon
country, and as rugged as anywhere on the face of the globe.  In
an offshoot of Apache Canyon to the south, is an almost
impassable gash called Hell Canyon.  The walls of this canyon
rise precipitously for at least 1000 feet and top out on Apache
Peak on one side and an old Indian ceremonial ground on the other
side.  More desolate country would be hard to imagine.  Coyotes
and mountain lions are plentiful, and panthers no novelty.  I
have seen as many as 34 deer in a herd down below on the grassy
ledge sloping down toward the canyon floor.  Of course, further
up toward the box end of the canyon it was much too rugged for
deer, but a few mountain sheep are seen, (it was) in the wildest
part of the canyon that the other cave was found, in fact we
almost fell into it.  The high grass about the opening hid the
dished out entrance.
     "We were at an elevation of approximately 7000 feet and
going was tough, especially with a pack, and we had stopped to
rest when one of the party remarked that it 'sounded hollow' when
any of us talked.  Of course, we all yapped away at the same time
trying to figure if this was so, and sure enough it was.  Further
investigation located the hole some six feet to the left of where
we had stopped.  It was roughly oval in shape, some 30 by 18
feet; and bridged in the center the short way by a natural rock
arch heavy enough to support an elephant.  In the center of the
arch were 3 deep grooves caused we hazarded, by rope passing over
the arch.  We spent several hours in investigating the
surrounding terrain to see if there might be any other entrances
to the cave, but found none.  It sloped sharply from the opening
down about 200 feet, and then the bore disappeared, curving
upward.  We succeeded in getting down to the first level, by
tying all our ropes together, and subsequently investigated a lot
of it.
     "Threading through the soil were long stringers of quartz,
but oddly enough at the same time there were chunks of rock as
big as a piano that were solid masses of seashells.  Quite a lot
of pottery both broken and whole, was found.  The most
interesting thing was, however, that the farther we went the
colder it got.  Also there was a sound of either rushing wind or
water, which got louder the lower we went.  We came upon two
human skeletons not over 500 feet from the entrance, but they
must have been very old, as the bones crumbled at the touch.
Everything was covered with a deep dust after passing the bend
and no indication of any living thing having passed there was
ever noted.  It was very dark and depressing, and the chill was
very penetrating.  When you consider that the outside temperature
was near 100 degrees, you can imagine how we were dressed.  We
had three flashlights, one a five cell, and after a while it was
all that was left that would give a decent light.  Down at what
we estimated as 1200 feet from the opening we came smack up
against a smooth stone wall.  That was it.  The end.  None of us
would admit it was natural, it was too smooth and perfect, and
look as we would we could not find a single flaw or crack in it.
It was of a marble-like texture and some eight or nine feet high
in the center and around eleven wide.  By placing our ears to the
rock surface THE ROARING ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAME MUCH LOUDER,
AND THE ROCK WAS QUITE COLD TO THE TOUCH.  There was natural
marble near there, in Marble Canyon, where marble was once taken
out in large quantities, and so the rock was native rock, I'm
sure.  Since the remaining light was all we had except matches,
we voted to get back to the opening as soon as possible, and
after a hard struggle upgrade we got back to daylight and held a
conference.  We decided to bed down and talk it over further the
next day, as it was getting late.
     "However, the next day we were inclined to look foolishly at
each other and claim it was all our imagination thinking there
was anything strange on the other side of the barrier, and it was
just another one of those many caves in the country.  Carlsbad is
just 65 miles north of there, AND THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS NO DOUBT
HONEYCOMBED UNDERNEATH.
     "We finished our experiments and left, late in July but I
have never been able to forget the caves, and THE ODD SOUNDS ON
THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT BARRIER.  Or for that matter, the barrier
itself, for it was too perfect to be natural, I believe.  Or,
maybe I've just read too many AMAZING STORIES,' and am inclined
to wild ideas.  As the Mexicans say, Quien sabe?
     "Some day I'm going to write you a ding-how Scientifiction
on something-or-other, and then place it and my rejection notice
among my souvenirs.  Maybe then I can go on reading AMAZING
STORIES in peace, without wanting to dash off a dinger.
     "K. A. Gookin.,  Carmel Radio & Sound Service.,  Box 1865.,
Carmel, California."
     (Note: It is unlikely that the writers of the two letters
which we have just quoted would be able to be reached at the
addresses given.  We've merely given them as they appeared in
AMAZING STORIES magazine in the late 1940's. - Branton)

     At this point we will mention several miscellaneous items
connected with paraspeleology, speleanthropology, subsurface
phenomena and related subjects:

     A researcher by the name of Frank D. Adams has written on
the result of his personal scientific experiments which may prove
that giant cavities exist in granite at depths of more than 11
miles, conclusions which have also been supported by Louis V.
King, a mathematician who calculated that, at normal
temperatures, a cavity would exist at a depth of between 17.2 and
20.9 miles.  The authors' findings are also supported by the
recently discovered "16 Rouse Belts" which give planes of
fracture penetrating the globe.
     Dr. Ron Anjard, in an article in the Summer, 1978 issue of
PURSUIT Magazine, claimed personal knowledge of 44 underground
cities beneath the surface of North America, six of which are
alleged to be on the West Coast.  His information allegedly comes
from anonymous American Indian sources.  When we relate this to
the large number of migration legends (to and from cavern realms)
which exist among the native Amerindians, then we may conclude
that certain tribes still retain intimate knowledge of
underground civilizations related to them via distant ancestral
links.  Some of the elders of these different tribes, others have
suggested, may in fact maintain present contact with several of
these cavern civilizations.  There are some indications that some
such 'tribes' literally moved underground as a result of the
encroaching Anglosaxon civilization upon the America's.  Similar
allegations are made in relation to South and Central America as
well.
     Interviews with survivors of a mine explosion in Dec. 26,
1945, known as the "Belva Mine Disaster", appeared in the Dec.
1981 - Jan. 1982 issues of newspapers in Pineville, Kentucky and
elsewhere.  The interviews revealed that some of the trapped men
saw a "door" in one of the walls open, and a man dressed like a
"lumberjack" emerged from a well-lighted room.  After assuring
the men that they would be rescued, the strange visitor returned
to the room and closed the door.  These "lumberjack-like"
entities have been described by miners on other parts of the
country and in other nations as well.  There seems to be some
confusion as to whether they are physical or paraphysical
entities.  A somewhat similar incident allegedly took place
several years ago near Shipton, Pennsylvania.  Of the three
victims of this particular mine disaster, only two were rescued.
However both described a similar para-physical encounter with
strange 'men' who entered the caverns and gave light to the two
trapped miners and told them that they would be rescued.  They
were uncertain whether the entities were humans or supernatural
beings however, as much of their collective "hallucination"
contained both physical as well as supernatural elements.  The
bluish "light" which illuminated the room, they said, was real,
but other holographic-like visuals that appeared on the walls,
when touched by their hands, either disappeared or revealed solid
rock behind.
     R. L. Blain-Sanders, in an article titled 'TUNNELS AND
CAVERNS BENEATH NEW YORK CITY,' which appeared in the Fall, 1981
issue of SHAVERTRON, described the author's knowledge of a large
triangular system of tunnels utilized by a 'Masonic lodge', deep
below the surface of New York City.  Could this have any
connection to the other 'rumors' to the effect that cavernous
regions exist below Manhattan?  For instance, in 1962 Con Edison,
while drilling a test hole in the north of East River Park, New
York City, broke through to open space about 200 feet below.
Also, there are the allegations of Morris Doreal that the Church
of St. John the Divine in New York was built over ancient tunnels
leading to a dome-shaped city abandoned by antediluvian
'Atlanteans' and later, apparently, re-established by post-
deluvians.  Then we have the accounts of thousands of people who
have literally and mysteriously disappeared off the face of the
earth in and around New York City.
     Raymond Bond, in an article titled 'SUBTERRANEAN SAUCERS -
GLOBAL NETWORK OF UFO BASES', which appeared in SAGA'S UFO ANNUAL
1980 (Brooklyn, N.Y.), described caves within Mt. Sombrero in the
Tampica area of Mexico, from which sounds resembling those made
by 'hydroelectric generating equipment' can be heard.  Also,
inhabitants of the interior of Mt. Kilimanjaro were also
described.  Kilimanjaro is one of the highest peaks in Africa.
     Bob Borino, in his article, 'UFO BASES FOUND IN ANTARCTICA'
(Globe, Jan. 18, 1983) quotes from certain scientists who believe
that a subterranean UFO Base is located beneath the strange
'Polynya Sea' in the Antarctica's Weddell Sea region.
     Malcolm W. Browne, in his article 'UNDERGROUND TUNNELS
THREATEN TOWN IN HUNGARY'S WINE COUNTRY' (NEW YORK TIMES, Nov. 8,
1967, p.2) tells of over 60 miles of ancient tunnel systems of
unknown origin and purpose which have been discovered beneath the
town of Eger, Hungary, some of which have collapsed.  The
civilization which built the tunnels must have been fairly
advanced in engineering and science in order to create such a
subterranean system.
     Karl Brugger, in his book 'THE CHRONICLE OF AKAKOR' (Boohi
Tree Books., Delacorte Press., N.Y., 230 pp), gives the history--
as given to the author by one of their chiefs--of the Ugha
Mongulala tribesman, whose ancestors were allegedly part of a
vast empire which covered South America in ancient times.  Some
of these ancient people, the chief claimed, left the planet in
aerial vessels to explore other parts of the solar system and
beyond, leaving behind vast subterranean cities beneath the Andes
mountains and western Brazil.  In 1971, due to the constant
encroachment of white settlers or invaders into their territory,
30,000 survivors of the Ugha Mongulala allegedly escaped to this
ancient system of underground cities, consisting of 13 separate
subterranean complexes all connected by tunnels, one of which is
said to extend to Lima, and others of which are located
throughout the Andes Mountain range of Peru.
     Michael Burke, in his article 'GREEN THING SPARKS RUMORS'
(THE VALLEY NEWS DISPATCH, New Kensington, Tarentum and
Vandergrift, PA., Mar. 5, 1981 issue) described a small creature,
allegedly 'half humanoid - half dinosaur' which was seen emerging
from a sewer tunnel in New Kensington.  A group of children
chased the infant or young dinosauroid creature, one of them
momentarily grabbing it at which point it let out a squealing or
screeching sound, and then slipped from his hands and escaped
back into the sewer tunnel.  This incident took place some miles
west of Dixonville, PA., where in 1944 several miners were killed
or turned up missing as a result of encounters with 'alien'
creatures in one particular mineshaft there.  Any connection?
     SAGA Magazine's 'UFO ANNUAL - 1980', P.4, under the heading
'CAVE MARTIANS', described a bizarre encounter with subterranean
creatures which seemed to have consisted of some type of
automaton-like forms, perhaps on a reconnaissance mission from an
underground civilization.  The story involved a tunnel near
Xucurus, Argentina(?), some 90 miles from Buenos Aires.  The
tunnel was discovered by agriculturalist Gerardo Cordeire, and
found to contain nine connecting passages and strange
inscriptions on the walls.  From it's entrance "men nine feet
tall, green, with antennas on their heads, and square legs" were
seen to emerge, and which, according to HUNDREDS of witnesses
from the town and nearby locals, resembled enormous "portable
radios."
     Dr. Earlyne Chaney, in an article titled 'ODYSSEY INTO
EGYPT', in her occult-oriented magazine VOICE OF ASTARA (May,
1982) tells of a discovery she and researcher Bill Cox was shown
in Egypt.  These were two tunnels, neither of which had been
fully explored.  One was in the temple of Edfu between Luxor and
Cairo in the ruins of El Tuna Gabel; and the other near Zozer's
Step Pyramid at Cairo near Memphis-Saqqarah, within the tomb of
the Bull, called "Serapium".  The Egyptian government sealed both
tunnels because of fears of certain archaeologists who alleged
that they "lead too deeply down into the depths of the earth,"
and because they found the earth to be "honeycombed with passages
leading off into other depths," and the possibility of explorers
becoming lost.  If such labyrinths do exist, then it may explain
one story which alleged that men dressed like "ancient Egyptians"
have been seen deep in unexplored tunnels near Cairo, as well as
possible confirmation of the story which appeared in Nevada
Aerial Research's 'LEADING EDGE' Publication to the effect that
the U.S.(?) Government secretly maintains a huge base within a
cavern of tremendous size (several miles in diameter) beneath the
desert sands of Egypt.  Could this tie in with the vaque
references to a subterranean society(s) referred to by certain
people 'in the know' which is/are known as the 'Phoenix Empire'
and/or the 'Gizeh People'?
     Articles in the WASHINGTON STAR-NEWS, July 25, 1973 and Aug.
15, 1973, tell of the discovery of an unexplored network of
ancient, artificial tunnels during construction of a parking lot
in Crofton, Maryland.  Subsequent construction covered the tunnel
entrances before the system could be completely investigated.
     Leon Davidson, in an early issue of 'FLYING SAUCERS'
Magazine, spoke of a large network of "underground tunnels in the
California desert, at Camp Irwin, near Barstow."  This may tie-in
with an item related by a Los Angeles municipal water director,
as related in an early issue of Richard Toronto's SHAVERTRON
letter-zine, stating that this water director knew of 5 large
underground rivers which ran beneath the Mojave desert, and that
die-traces showed that at least one of these emptied into the
Pacific ocean through openings in the continental slopes (One
source stated that such a river exited in the Gulf of California.
Other sources speak of a "Kokoweef" river-system which is alleged
to lie below Kokoweef peak just east of FORT Irwin, which looked-
-according to it's alleged discoverer, a Mr. Earl Dorr, and a few
"Indians" who also claimed to have been in it--like a "Grand
Canyon" underground.  It allegedly consists of a river chasm
generally 500 ft. wide and over a thousand feet high-deep, sided
by steep tiered-shelved underground cliffs, huge stalactites and
cataracts.  Also, the alluvial sands on the 'beaches' along the
river, which allegedly hold a large percentage of gold dust, are
said to be several feet deep.  The entrance to this cavern was
allegedly dynamited shut by Mr. Dorr to protect anyone else from
getting to "his" gold.  There is in fact evidence that Dorr did
dynamite shut the lower level of 'Kin Sabe' cave in Kokoweef
Peak, and there are present-day attempts to break through into
this underground system.  The water of the river allegedly rose
and fell with the tides, suggesting that a very large body of
water might exist upstream, that is if Dorr's account as well as
the accounts of the Indians were not fabricated).  The municipal
water director, according to the SHAVERTRON article, spoke with a
man who claimed that he was hired several years ago by the
government to look for water sources for Ft. Irwin.  He alleged
to have explored an old mine in the area and found that deep
down, the shaft intersected with an ancient earth fault or chasm-
like cave which continued horizontally for a considerable
distance.  This government employee followed the chasm and
allegedly emerged onto the bank of a huge underground river-cave
over a quarter of a mile wide!  The tremendous water flow--
possibly originating from the waters that apparently disappear
beneath the Great Basin, the Nevada and Mojave deserts?--could
have 'fed' the water needs of all of Southern California.
     Paul Doerr (not to be confused with Mr. DORR referred to
above), in issue number 6 of his Newsletter 'UNKNOWN', related
the tradition concerning a race of human giants which, according
to stories in the Carolinas islands and especially Papua,
allegedly went underground in ancient times.  Once inhabitants of
a lost island-continent called "Chamat," they will, according to
legend, one day emerge.  This legend is wide-spread throughout
Malaysia, which incidentally contains the largest "officially
recognized" cavern chamber, the "Sarowak Chamber" on the island
of Borneo in the Malaysian islands.  It is said to be 230 ft.
wide by 980 ft. long and nowhere less than 270 ft. high, large
enough to easily hold within itself the two previous contenders
for the world's largest OFFICIAL chamber - Carlsbad's "Big Room"
in New Mexico and the "Salle de la Verna" in the Pierre Saint-
Martin caverns in France.  Yankee stadium could fit in one end of
the Sarowak chamber with room to spare!  The same issue of
'UNKNOWN' also reports on the discovery of massive caverns in
Toulumne Co., California, by three Oakland miners.  The caverns
were so extensive that a man would have to "take grub for a week,
and plan to explore for a month."
     The 'BOOK OF DYZAN', which has been translated from ancient
manuscripts, tells of intellectually sophisticated humans from
an ancient earth-born society who abandoned the surface of the
earth, "depriving the impure human race of their knowledge," and
leaving in flying craft to rejoin their land "of iron and metal."
     'FAR OUT' Magazine's April, 1982 issue carried an article
titled, 'BOTTOMLESS PIT FOUND ON THE OCEANS FLOOR'.  The article
tells of a huge man-made opening in the ocean floor between
Panama and the Galapagos Islands, which scientists say receives a
constant flow of ocean water which is being sucked through the
hole and into the crust beneath the ocean floor.
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